there are two things that i know are crazy, oneas an election based on paied on paul ryan's b. people really did respond. he was vice presidential nominee. the budget -- >> i don't think that one of them knew he had a budget. >> i do. i spent a lot of time talking about it. but, during the election, ryan and romney spoke about closing tax loopholes, why not, that is a cak6sacred cow. >> fair enough, republicans argue we have given you your tax increase, before we address these, but she is right, they are open to, that i think they also said they are open to it if they get disarmament on the other side, right? >> right, here is the thing, first of all, you get certainty out of politicians, whether they have not pass a bill, pass a budgeter. it has not been scored properly, it is a good starting point. big deal. that is not a cut. but we're not having theig cusion 14yundais -- having the discussion with 1400 days without a budget. and we're not having that, neil, forget sacred cow, we have people who are cowards, sacred cowards in political establishment they decided we'll play a